The challenge is that the Canadian defence system, the different bases, all use these civilian infrastructure systems. They're connected to it and by extension are exposed, as well as the civilian structure.
With China, not only do we have the intellectual property theft, but now we have the weaponization of data. They have mass surveillance of Canadians, as well as their own citizens, and are using it for hybrid warfare.
How should we defend against that, especially from a national defence perspective, because it all ties together?