The first thing is to keep in mind that we ought to have leadership within DND that is not retired military people. We need to have a distinct perspective for military people. That wasn't just a minister of defence problem; it was also potentially a DND challenge about how many people within DND are retired. Given that the people who have risen to the top of the military in the past generation have a lot of problems, it might be that we look elsewhere for leadership within DND. That's the first thing.
The second thing is that we need to think about what tools the deputy minister has. Jody Thomas claimed that when she asked to help Jonathan Vance deal with the Deschamps report, he told her to stay out of it. This suggests a real problem within Canadian civil relations, with civilians being told to keep out of it and that the military should have control over these processes. We've seen where that has led us.
As I understand it, we have the Federal Accountability Act [Technical difficulty—Editor] has to do with money that they have to go back and look to the deputy minister for oversight or approval of. That is one tool that could be used to make sure the military heeds civilian control—