Second, I won't say it now, but I'd like to have an opportunity at some point to say things about Trump, NATO and the far right in Russia, because I have an alternative, let's say, even on the drones.
On the question—it's an excellent question—we had the war in Donbass in 2014 and it was seen as bad, destabilizing, a violation of international law, etc., but the unsaid consensus in the west, so in Canada, the United States and among the NATO alliance, was that it was a regional conflict. It was illegal. Crimea was illegally annexed, but with no danger of spilling over. It had to be contained. The corollary was that we were not sending any weapons, due to fear of escalation. Then, there was the Minsk protocol. We had to find a diplomatic solution, and it didn't work.
The qualitative change in 2022, which has been very clear to NATO members, was that this is a threat. The full-scale invasion is a threat to international security. It's a threat to European security. Canada is part of the alliance. What that means in simple terms to the public is that Putin will not stop in Ukraine. He will not stop, so the idea is that we have to find a ceasefire. Just let's stop the war. The war will not stop. Maybe the shooting will stop for a while and then it will start again.
We could say, just ask the Poles. They were part of the Warsaw Pact. They had been occupied for 40 years. Just ask the Estonians. They used to be in the Soviet Union. They're emotional. Why don't we ask the Swedes, the Finns, the Danes, the Dutch and so forth? They have the realization. In the case of Finland and Sweden, they basically overnight put an end to, what, 75 and 200 years of neutrality, because they really fear Russian aggression. That would be my answer.