It's not just us, but any number of the western allies.
One of the things that our Taiwanese counterparts told us when we were there is that if we thought we were being bombarded with cyber-attacks and misinformation and disinformation, we were barely being touched. They have a problem because there is not unanimity about how to push back. They're a democracy. They're having a big problem.
How Jake Sullivan thinks he's going to be able to help when he's dealing with democracies who all have very different perspectives, I'm not sure. From our immediate perspective, I think we could quite easily take three or four departments here and develop an ongoing counterpart relationship. I do believe we're working on cyber with them now. We could do far more. They have a problem that may well become ours in the next decade or so if we don't do something about it.
Canada alone can do nothing. We have to do these things amongst alliances and with other partners, and it may mean an investment of intellectual capacity and physical and financial resources. Without wishing to appear to be partisan, we've been uneven on that front. I think we just need to do more.