Okay.
For those environmental officers being responsible, my understanding is that when Canadian Forces real property operations was centralized, those environmental officers were left out of the day-to-day operations of bases. They were not part of the chain of command. Can you confirm whether that's the case?
As well, can you comment on whether it's helpful to have the experts you're talking about, who have the expertise, actually be outside of that chain of command—not reporting to the ADM in charge of this, for example?