You both talked about collaboration between Russia and China, and we've also started to talk about BRICS. I wonder how we should be dealing with BRICS. Obviously, Russia and China are a big part of BRICS, so how much do you think BRICS in itself is contributing to undermining the international legal order, given the central place of Russia and China in that organization? What should be our response to BRICS?
I think BRICS is trying to cater to a lot of lower- and middle-income countries to become part of this global alliance against the west. Certainly, they've been trying to win favour, for example, in Africa.
Are we doing enough to try to counter that and win the favour and allegiance of countries, particularly in Africa?