Look, I have all the admiration in the world for the many people who are really trying to make this work, but I do think it takes far too long to get people into our system, and it takes too long to get people through the training system. This is where Ms. Winger's comments are really important, because what we forget is that if you want to train people, you need facilities that are appropriate for that. Many of these facilities.... Look at DND and the hundreds of buildings and thousands of kilometres of roads, or the 50-year-old culverts in Gagetown that were washed out in 2015 or 2016—I have it in my testimony from last week—which basically imperiled training operations in Gagetown for over a year.
You need those cooks. You need exactly the people who are part of Ms. Winger's organization. You need the bus drivers to ferry people from their dorms to the training operations. That's where we're having critical shortages of people within the training system.