Maybe I'll offer a few things here, Mr. Chair.
Number one, I do apologize, because it is confusing. It's joint, to a certain extent, so maybe I would offer that, just to be perfectly clear, we get back to the committee and to the member to show on paper the roles and responsibilities so that we all have a common understanding.
Given that the rule in question is about retired members, yes, the Minister of Defence is responsible for the financial aspect of the plans, but my understanding is that Veterans Affairs has a role in terms of the benefits. That's why it is a bit of a shared responsibility.
The final point—and I will then turn it back to the member, because I suspect she has more questions—is that my more recent history on this was back in 2019. There was a veterans benefit announced specifically to compensate members who were in the situation of getting married after 60. I know that National Defence was working actively with veterans to better understand the numbers around the survivor community. It's a related issue, but different from the one you're raising.