That brings our second round of questioning to a close.
On behalf of the committee, I want to thank both of you for engaging, because this has been quite a stimulating back and forth. I think it informs us for this study in a way that we should be informed, namely that there are no monolithic opinions about how we should be dealing with our north.
I'm going to suspend for a moment or two while we invite our current guests to leave and we empanel our next guests.
With that, we're suspended.