The challenge becomes when you look at the north very quickly in the Arctic. The Arctic Council is not military at all. It doesn't want to touch it. It doesn't want to talk about it. If you look on their website at all of the subcommittees, you'll see it has nothing to do with the military.
As I'm sure my colleague would mention, to be fair, NATO in itself has perhaps not deterred Russia from invading Ukraine, but it has helped to prevent its total overrun. However, there is nothing in the north aside from bilateral treaties and agreements that we have mostly with the U.S. Do we now need to sit down with Norway, with Finland and others in the north? How do you do that?
It becomes a complex issue, as I said earlier in my comments. We need to join any other kinds of organizations that come together, and perhaps some military ones, across the Arctic.