Yes. In fact, when I talk about bringing external oxygen into the system, I think it's important to recognize the importance of the work of the Department of National Defence, with the deputy minister heading that part of the operation. There have been some concerns expressed to me that even there sometimes there are not enough external sources. For instance, lots of retired CAF members end up working in DND. It remains sometimes too internal. There is not enough input from other branches of the civil service or, as I've recommended, secondments, including from the private sector.
I understand that's very difficult in a force that is understaffed presently. Recruitment is a huge challenge. I have lots of recommendations about the slow pace of recruitment.
I think anything that can be done through DND and through other, civilian, external actors to inform the working of the CAF would be welcome.