It's realpolitik. The question is, are you going to fight a war over something that's not going to happen anyway? Ukraine is not coming into NATO. There is no consensus to do that, so you're fighting on a point of principle that it has a right to come, but it's not going to come. Why are we doing this?
I think the message has to be put diplomatically, but I can tell you honestly that, basically, it's not worth having a war over a point of principle when the reality isn't going to be that in the first place. The message has to be handled carefully, and this is for Canadian diplomacy behind the scenes. We have a very good relationship with Ukraine. I think we can quietly, behind the scenes, tell Ukraine that a neutral option might, in fact, work to its advantage. Austria made it work for itself. Finland made it work for itself during the Cold War. This is not necessarily a sentence to be condemned.