I'm not qualified to talk about the Canadian diplomatic corps. All I would say, Madam, is that in addition to the points that Mr. Rasiulis has made, Canada and others could also support, especially, Ukraine's ability to defend itself, which is an important part of this Finland model. Finland has had the ability to defend itself, and the Soviet Union understood that very well.
To me, something like that would be an outcome preferable to a Russianized Ukraine or a devastated Ukraine. How we get there, I think, is the question. To me, similar to Mr. Rasiulis, at the end of the day, NATO is a security alliance. It's designed to defend us. When people say that Ukraine has a right to join, I respect the people of the Ukraine, but, ultimately, those are Americans and Canadians who will be dying to defend them, and that should make sense for our people and your people, I would imagine. It's for you to judge.
I don't think it's in America's interests to send people to die for a principle. In a sense, that is hollow at the end of the day. It's not practical. We should be using our military only to serve our enlightened self-interests—but our interests. That's how we've made many mistakes as America in the last generation. I hope we can narrow our focus more but remain strong where it's needed.