I would say that, if we look at it in terms of Canada's international presence, whether it be in terms of peacekeeping, our response to humanitarian assistance, disaster relief, our current commitments in places like Kuwait or what we're doing, of course, in Ukraine or in support of Ukraine, including the training of Ukrainians for the fight, the question is: Is this important to Canada, yes or no? In terms of our national interest, does the United Nations matter, yes or no?
Canada is a middle power, and we rely on international security and co-operation to be able to have the quality of life that we enjoy here. I think the consequences for not being involved in the United Nations is not having a voice and not being relevant. I think that's the concern we have, largely speaking, about not just the United Nations but even as a founding member of NATO, where Canada really is not stepping up in a way in which I think we should be expected to and not necessarily burden sharing in a way that we ought to. That includes in the international context, I think, in the United Nations. Canada's not back when it comes to the United Nations, for sure.