I'm not an expert on the quad, but I can say that the Canadian Armed Forces and indeed the IPS dictate ASEAN centrality. That's the organization we're working with.
The fact that we've gotten into ADMM-Plus and some expert working groups is a good step forward, and now, to become the strategic partner, ASEAN is the one we're working with. As I described earlier, it's not NATO, but it is an organization we can work with. We're kind of rising up in the hierarchy. I think it's actually a very good-news story of how we're progressing because of the IPS.