Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.
I want to take several questions already asked by my colleagues further, but first I would like to come back to some points that Ms. Lambropoulos has just raised, including the perception of the general public.
Both witnesses have talked about, among other things, industrial espionage and intellectual property, which may seem to be more of a civilian than a national defence issue.
I would like to hear your comments on the relevance of making sure that the public understands that this can pose threats to national security.
I would also like to hear from you about who should actually take on the role in terms of protection. There is a perception that in some cases it is the Canadian Security Intelligence Service and in some cases it is more the Department of National Defence.
Is it possible that both are passing the buck? In other words, when it's everybody's job, ultimately it's nobody's job.
I would like to hear from both of you on this aspect.