I do 100%. The institute is very clear about when we think contracting should happen. As June said, it's when there's a short-term and necessary need, surge capacity that we just can't manage, or we don't have the skills.
What happens in these contracts for defence is that we rely solely on the contractor for those skills. We don't say, “We want your skills, but we want you to teach a federal public service how to get those skills and how to uptrain workers so that it is temporary in nature.” Where I worked, we had a contractor who sat at the same desk for 15 years, because he was a specialized skill. It can't be specialized if you're not training people and building them up to bring that capacity in-house.