Evidence of meeting #29 for National Defence in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was know.

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On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

David McGuinty  Minister of National Defence
Fox  Deputy Minister, Department of National Defence
Sheehy  Assistant Deputy Minister, Materiel, Department of National Defence
Kelsey  Vice Chief of the Defence Staff, Canadian Armed Forces, Department of National Defence

The Chair Liberal Charles Sousa

I call this meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting number 29 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on National Defence.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Monday, February 23, 2026, the committee is meeting to study the subject matter of supplementary estimates (C) 2025-26.

Today's meeting is taking place in a hybrid format. Our interpreters are attending virtually. I ask all participants to consult the guidelines on the table to prevent audio feedback and protect the health and safety of the interpreters.

I'd like to remind the witnesses and members to wait to be recognized by name before speaking. If you wish to speak, raise your hand. The clerk and I will manage the speaking order as best we can.

For interpretation, use the earpiece and select the appropriate channel.

Again, all comments should be addressed through the chair.

I welcome the witnesses.

We have the Honourable David McGuinty, minister of defence. Welcome to the committee once again.

From the Department of National Defence, we have Christiane Fox, our deputy minister; Lieutenant-General Stephen Kelsey, vice-chief of the defence staff; Marc Mes, deputy commissioner of programs at the Canadian Coast Guard; Jonathan Moor, chief financial officer; and Heather Sheehy, assistant deputy minister. From the Communications Security Establishment, we have Caroline Xavier, chief; and Julie Chassé, chief financial officer.

We'll proceed with the opening statements.

Minister, it's over to you. You have up to five minutes, sir.

4:30 p.m.

Ottawa South Ontario

Liberal

David McGuinty LiberalMinister of National Defence

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair and members of the Standing Committee on National Defence.

Good afternoon, everyone.

Thank you for this opportunity to discuss supplementary estimates (C) for the Department of National Defence, the Canadian Armed Forces, the Canadian Coast Guard and the Communications Security Establishment Canada.

Colleagues, at a time of increasing disruption, evolving threats and global uncertainty, Canada's purpose remains clear: Protect our people, uphold our values and contribute to a more secure and a stable world.

Before I begin, I want to reaffirm a fundamental commitment. The security of the women and men of the Canadian Armed Forces is paramount. That includes a strong duty to protect operational security, account for emerging threats and ensure that their missions are safeguarded every step of the way.

In an environment defined by rapidly evolving threats, we will continue to act with discipline and vigilance, both of which are required to protect our personnel and the integrity of their operations. When there is something noteworthy to communicate publicly and when we can do so without compromising operations or, more importantly, the safety and security of our personnel, we do our utmost to share that information in a timely way. Rest assured that we will bring a disciplined and measured approach, as they say, to ensure the safety and security of members of the Canadian Armed Forces.

At a moment marked by rising geopolitical tensions and global crises, Canada will continue to defend its sovereignty, protect its interests and work with partners where it advances our security and stability.

We have set this ambitious goal in response to the changing landscape of global threats, which means that Canada's security and sovereignty can no longer be taken for granted.

The funding in supplementary estimates (C) that we are seeking today is essential to achieve our target of spending 2% of GDP on defence. The proposed $1.05 billion in funding for key priorities includes major defence procurements, military operations and recruitment and the expansion of the Canadian Coast Guard's security role. Likewise, to support our domestic defences, we're requesting over $66.8 million to support the Canadian Armed Forces' northern operations.

Domestic and international operations like these are sustained by the strength, professionalism and commitment of our people in uniform. To ensure that they are well prepared, well supported and fairly compensated, we are investing in the foundations that enable readiness and retention, requesting $49 million to strengthen recruitment, retention and support programs for CAF members, and $12 million to expand access to child care for serving families.

These investments build on our ongoing efforts to support our people, and they are already showing results. Applications to join the Canadian Armed Forces have increased by 13% over the past year.

At the same time, we are making crucial investments in defensive capabilities. As part of these supplementary estimates, we are requesting $314 million for the strategic tanker transport capability project and the acquisition of CC‑330 Husky aircraft. We are also requesting $2 million to maintain and manage the anti-drone system.

This is in addition to the approximately $563.7 million of previously approved defence investments funded through the capital investment fund.

Most recently, the Department of National Defence has made historic investments in Canadian defence industries. Guided by Canada's defence industrial strategy, last week we announced up to $642 million to establish a high-explosive projectiles facility; over $400 million to General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems in Quebec for new artillery production facilities; and $305.4 million to IMT Precision in Ingersoll, Ontario, to build a new manufacturing facility producing metal shells, strengthening Canada's ammunition supply.

In support of Ukraine, Canada also announced the production of 383 Senator armoured vehicles manufactured by Roshel in Brampton, Ontario. Looking ahead, in addition to investments in air, water and land capabilities, we are investing $200 million in core infrastructure for a Canadian-owned spaceport, alongside other major space capabilities.

In the supplementary estimates (C), we are transferring budgets to 14 other government departments, totalling $179 million, reflecting the department's central role in Canadian defence spending and the Government of Canada's commitment to defence priorities.

Over the past year, the Canadian Coast Guard has joined the defence team. Its 6,500 personnel are dedicated to ensuring the safety of Canada's waters and coasts, and its expertise and presence in our Arctic and northern regions benefit Canadians, as well as our sovereignty and security. Today, we are requesting $129.5 million to fund the expansion of the Canadian Coast Guard's security role, as outlined in budget 2025.

Likewise, through our requested funding for CSE, we will ensure that that agency has the resources it needs. From foreign intelligence, cybersecurity and cyber-operations to protecting Canada's critical infrastructure and providing recommendations and advice through its Canadian centre for cybersecurity, it plays an essential and fundamental role in our security and sovereignty.

In conclusion, as threats to Canada and its allies increase in complexity, approving these requests will enable our defence and security organizations to modernize, rearm and optimize the ways we support our Canadian Armed Forces in their vital work.

I thank you, Mr. Chair, and the entire committee, greatly, for the committee's consideration and its ongoing work. I look forward to your questions.

The Chair Liberal Charles Sousa

Thank you, Minister.

We'll proceed with our first hour.

The first round goes to Mr. Bezan. You have up to six minutes, sir.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I want to thank the minister and the entire team from DND and CAF that is here with us today.

I want to welcome Deputy Minister Christiane Fox to her first appearance here. Congratulations on your new role as deputy minister of national defence.

Minister, on March 17, you were at a press conference, and you were asked about the outgoing director of the U.S. National Counterterrorism Center, Joe Kent. You said he “made a principled decision”. Are you aware that, in Kent's resignation letter, he falsely claimed that Jewish Americans and the Jewish state were influencing U.S. foreign policy?

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

No, I'm not aware of that, but I'm also not quite sure of the context of the comments that I made that you've quoted.

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

Actually, I have the video if we want to play it. You were asked about him after your presser on March 17.

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

He said something along the lines of...perhaps for him, he thought it was a principled decision.

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

No, you said that you supposed that he made “a principled decision”.

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

Yes, and I supposed that was the case. I don't know the man. I don't know the decision. I don't know—

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

So, now, knowing that he made this anti-Semitic conspiracy theory question, do you regret calling that “a principled decision” without knowing the facts beforehand?

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

That's why I said that I supposed it was “a principled decision”. I don't know the character of the man. I don't know—

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

I can tell you that the Jewish community is not at all happy about your saying “I suppose” or “made a principled decision”—

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

I can understand that. I can understand that the community would be—

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

—so I would hope that you would take responsibility and apologize.

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

I'll take a much closer look at this individual's background.

Thank you.

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

I hope that you issue an apology, because the Jewish community in Canada and the United States is definitely upset; the “principled decision” comment does not fly. Even if you said, “I suppose”, you were essentially suggesting that this individual, who was dwelling in anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, is someone who made a principled decision. I don't think that connects very well. It's a reflection on making comments without knowing all the details first, so I hope that you withdraw those comments.

Minister, you also talked about the security of our men and women in the armed forces, first and foremost, especially with regard to the operational risks that they're currently experiencing in the Middle East. On March 1, Camp Canada was hit with missile drones from Iran. The Ali Al-Salem Air Base, which I know some of us have been to, in Kuwait was severely damaged and continues to be damaged. You and the Prime Minister had many opportunities to make sure that Canadians were aware that the base was hit. I know that the Prime Minister alone did 12 press conferences over 10 days and never once said that the base was hit.

Why did you withhold that information from Canadians? They deserve to know when Canadians are being targeted. We're lucky that our forces were safe, and I'm assuming they continue to be. However, do you regret not informing Canada, Canadians and parliamentarians that Iran is targeting Camp Canada and other bases around the Middle East?

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

The first thing to note is that I was made aware of the incident immediately after it occurred.

The second thing that I think is important to remember is that I regularly receive, as minister, intelligence and security briefings. I'm made aware of incidents related to CAF members and assets around the world. That was the case following this strike in Kuwait that you're referring to, and it continues to be the case.

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

You did have a mixed message when asked about the La Presse story, though, and it sounded like you didn't know about it until the La Presse story broke.

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

In fairness, I clarified my remarks as soon as I could right afterwards. I did say that I misunderstood the question from the journalist. I thought he was referring to the media reports themselves as opposed to the event itself.

I think it's important for us to remember that we have to be very careful here in communicating events, details, personnel locations and timing. I think that's been the practice in the department for quite a long time and, as always, I will—

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

When I was parliamentary secretary back when we were in government, we used—

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

—take my lead from the operational experts inside the department.

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

—to provide technical briefings all the time.

Sherry Romanado Liberal Longueuil—Charles-LeMoyne, QC

I have a point of order.

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

It's my time. Stop the clock.

Sherry Romanado Liberal Longueuil—Charles-LeMoyne, QC

Mr. Chair, I would just like to ask, for the sake of the interpreters, that we make sure that we don't have people talking over each other.

Thank you.