Evidence of meeting #29 for National Defence in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was know.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

David McGuinty  Minister of National Defence
Fox  Deputy Minister, Department of National Defence
Sheehy  Assistant Deputy Minister, Materiel, Department of National Defence
Kelsey  Vice Chief of the Defence Staff, Canadian Armed Forces, Department of National Defence

The Chair Liberal Charles Sousa

Thank you, Mr. Kelsey.

Simon-Pierre Savard-Tremblay Bloc Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot—Acton, QC

Mr. Chair, I wasted a lot of time having to ask the same question again. I asked you to give me a short extension. You said yes.

LGen Stephen Kelsey

It was my fault, because of the interpretation.

Simon-Pierre Savard-Tremblay Bloc Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot—Acton, QC

Mr. Kelsey, I'd like to quickly ask you one last question.

Can you confirm that the budgets have not changed?

LGen Stephen Kelsey

Despite the circumstances in Iran, the budget doesn't change. The events in the Strait of Hormuz happened after the bidding process began.

Simon-Pierre Savard-Tremblay Bloc Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot—Acton, QC

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Charles Sousa

I did provide extra time.

Ms. Gallant, we'll go over to you.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Algonquin—Renfrew—Pembroke, ON

Through you for the minister, Chair, what were you told went wrong during the CAF exercise in Alaska, where dozens of Canadian soldiers suffered severe cold-weather injuries? What were you told was the cause for that?

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

I was informed almost immediately after the fact—quite soon, as soon as that occurred—that the challenge was that a lot of our members of the forces were attending in very cold weather, in a very cold snap, with equipment that was not appropriate for that depth of cold.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Algonquin—Renfrew—Pembroke, ON

Every other NATO multinational group in Latvia is deployed or assigned to areas of operation, but we are not because we cannot. Could you explain why?

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

You'll forgive me. I'm not sure I understand the question.

I understand that we command the multinational brigade of 14 countries. I understand that we are coordinating all of those countries and preparing for the NATO standards, but I'm not sure I understand what role you think we're supposed to be playing or that we're not playing. Forgive me.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Algonquin—Renfrew—Pembroke, ON

Our brigade headquarters currently operates in assigned areas, but not outside of Ādaži. Why is that?

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

My understanding is that we are operating in the region. My understanding is that we are coordinating all 14 nations. My understanding is that's the role and responsibility of us as the commanding nation.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Algonquin—Renfrew—Pembroke, ON

We can't go outside our assigned regions.

In terms of the cold-weather issues, it's equipment only, and you haven't been told about the lack of leadership and the people who are leaving the military: the cream of the crop. The so-called sediment is rising to the top, and that is part and parcel of what happened in that exercise.

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

I'm trying to reconcile that with the latest information we have, with a 13% increase in applications to join the Canadian Armed Forces.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Algonquin—Renfrew—Pembroke, ON

Well, that always accompanies a severe drop in the economy. There's nothing else to do, but joining the military is historically—

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

I thought it had something to do with spirit, morale, pay, new career opportunities and growth and investment.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Algonquin—Renfrew—Pembroke, ON

Now, with the industrial strategy, we have winners and losers. How can we expect there not to be political interference in the process given the Liberal track record on things like ArriveCAN and SNC-Lavalin?

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

Well, the defence industrial strategy is set up at arm's length. There is a coordinating group of public servants across the system and across the department that will be helping to deliver on this.

There is a lot of capital flowing into the country right now. The Prime Minister has managed, for example, to find $80 billion of investment from the U.A.E. We're bringing in as much as we can to deploy in defence.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Algonquin—Renfrew—Pembroke, ON

I have one last question.

Our allies are fed up with our troops being sent to Latvia without proper training. They now do their final confirmation exercise in theatre because they don't have the equipment here. When are we going to restore the capability at Wainwright? Also, at the firing ranges, when are we going to renew those contracts so they can do the simulated shooting?

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

Well, we're beginning by beginning, and we're dealing with the ammunition situation in the country first of all, one that we inherited—

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Algonquin—Renfrew—Pembroke, ON

It's on training.

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

Yes, and training, which is one of the reasons why we offered different kinds of compensation for trainers and instructors. We're working feverishly to be able to, as you say, improve those situations, and it's happening.

We are moving forward quickly. The money is being booked. The money is being deployed. Base commanders are being given different financial authorities to execute on plans to improve the situation. I think we're going to be seeing a lot of good things coming.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Algonquin—Renfrew—Pembroke, ON

They'll be trained before they get into theatre, then. They'll do the final confirmation exercise at home before being sent into the—

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

Yes.

Do you mind if I ask the vice-chief?