Evidence of meeting #39 for National Defence in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was companies.

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On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Robitaille  Assistant Deputy Minister, Procurement, Defence Investment Agency
Hadwen  Assistant Deputy Minister, Policy-Industry, Department of National Defence
Kaminska  Director General, BOREALIS Joint Program Office, Defence Research and Development Canada, Department of National Defence
Hembroff  Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Industry Sector, Department of Industry
Folkes  Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Brandao  Senior Director, Policy and Engagement, Defence Investment Agency

The Chair Liberal Charles Sousa

I call this meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting number 39 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on National Defence. Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Monday, February 23, 2026, the committee is meeting to study the impact of the defence industrial strategy.

Today's meeting is taking place in a hybrid format. Before we begin, I ask participants to consult the guidelines on the table. These measures are there to help prevent audio feedback incidents and to protect the health and safety of our interpreters.

Witnesses and members, if you wish to speak, please raise your hand, and please wait until I recognize you by name before speaking.

I will also remind witnesses that the committee members may ask questions in either French or English. If you need interpretation, please take a moment now to prepare your earpiece and select the appropriate channel.

For the purposes of decorum and so forth, I ask that all comments be addressed through the chair.

Let's begin.

I would like to welcome the secretary of state and our witnesses. We have the Hon. Stephen Fuhr, secretary of state for defence procurement. From the Defence Investment Agency, we have Vincent Robitaille, assistant deputy minister of procurement, and Diogo Brandao, senior director of policy and engagement. We also have Paula Folkes, associate assistant deputy minister from the Department of Public Works and Government Services.

We'll proceed now with opening statements of up to five minutes.

Secretary of State, I'll turn the floor over to you, sir.

4:35 p.m.

Kelowna B.C.

Liberal

Stephen Fuhr LiberalSecretary of State (Defence Procurement)

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

Good morning, everyone.

I am very pleased to be here today.

I would like to begin by acknowledging that we are gathered on the traditional and unceded territory of the Algonquin Anishinabe people.

The defence industrial strategy is built on a simple idea: Defence and economic security are mutually reinforcing.

The geopolitical assumptions that have shaped Canada's defence and industrial policies for decades no longer hold. By strengthening the operational readiness of the Canadian Armed Forces, we can also strengthen Canadian industry, support innovation, create good jobs and build greater resilience here at home.

To achieve these objectives, the defence industrial strategy introduced a new build-partner-buy framework. Through the Defence Investment Agency, we are applying this framework by building in Canada where practical, partnering with trusted allies where collaboration strengthens capability and industrial participation, and acquiring proven systems when speed and operational requirements demand it.

Let me begin with operational readiness, the first area examined by your committee. The Canadian Armed Forces requires modern equipment delivered at the speed of relevance. The capabilities identified in “Our North, Strong and Free” remain critical to Canada's security, but the pace of technological and geopolitical change has increased the importance of delivering them sooner.

Over the past year, we've accelerated the delivery of a number of key capabilities for the Canadian Armed Forces. For instance, we've accelerated the Canadian modular assault rifle program by approximately two years. We've accelerated Canada's submarine replacement program and, most recently, advanced Canada's airborne early warning and control capability, a key enabler for both NORAD and NATO operations. Together, these initiatives are helping ensure that the Canadian Armed Forces receive the capabilities they need faster while strengthening Canada's ability to sustain and evolve these capabilities over time.

Canada's defence industry is another key area examined by your committee. The strategy aims to increase the share of defence acquisitions awarded to Canadian firms to 70% over the next decade while increasing defence exports by 50%. This is already being reflected in the DIA procurements we've done. The Canadian modular assault rifle program is built here in Canada and supported by an approximately 80% Canadian supply chain, and Colt is already supporting allied demand, including exports to Denmark. Canadian-built Bombardier Global 6500 aircraft provide airlift capability here in Canada as well. This supports domestic aerospace manufacturing, engineering and sustainment. The Canadian patrol submarine project is placing significant emphasis on Canadian in-service support and supply chain participation.

Innovation is also central to the defence industrial strategy. The selection of Saab as a preferred supplier to provide airborne early warning and control is a strong example of this. It delivers significant Canadian industrial participation from the outset while allowing Canada to participate in spiral development of those systems over time. This also creates an opportunity for Canada to develop and export a finished AEWC capability to allied partner nations, a key defence industrial strategy objective of increasing Canadian defence exports. By bringing more of the missionization and systems integration work back to Canada, the project supports high-value jobs and sovereign expertise here at home. This approach helps ensure interoperability with allies while creating long-term opportunities for Canadian innovation, expertise and industrial participation.

The final area identified in this study is the creation of jobs here in Canada. The defence industrial strategy is expected to generate up to 125,000 new jobs across Canada, and we're already seeing evidence of that impact through the growing production capacity, investment and hiring across Canada's defence and aerospace sectors. As an example, I was told by Colt Canada that they were going to have to double their employee workforce to meet the demand of the Canadian order, plus the Denmark order, and I'm sure there are more coming for that great company in southern Ontario.

Mr. Chair, the defence industrial strategy is not simply about buying equipment. It's about providing capability for the Canadian Armed Forces while building out capacity for Canada. Through the build-partner-buy framework, we are strengthening readiness, supporting Canadian industry and encouraging innovation while creating jobs here at home in Canada.

Thank you.

I look forward to your questions.

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Charles Sousa

Thank you, Mr. Fuhr. I appreciate your opening remarks.

We're going to proceed with a six-minute round. Mr. Bezan, I go over to you.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I thank the secretary of state for joining us today, at least for the first hour.

You mentioned the Saab GlobalEye. Is this considered a sole-sourced contract? You called it a “preferred supplier”, but there are other options out there.

Stephen Fuhr Liberal Kelowna, BC

I will answer your question, but we're here to talk about the defence industrial strategy.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

You brought it up.

Stephen Fuhr Liberal Kelowna, BC

I did bring it up.

Right now, the DIA is negotiating with Saab as a preferred supplier. We're in the pretty early stages of this procurement.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

Is there no longer a competition?

Stephen Fuhr Liberal Kelowna, BC

We're negotiating with Saab as a preferred supplier.

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

When do you expect the contract to be signed?

Stephen Fuhr Liberal Kelowna, BC

We are in pretty early stages, Mr. Bezan.

We just announced it at CANSEC, as you know.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

You said, though, that you're speeding up the timeline. Originally, in the defence capabilities blueprint, AWACS were supposed to start delivering around 2037. Are you ahead of that or on schedule?

Stephen Fuhr Liberal Kelowna, BC

We're ahead of it.

If you look at “Our North, Strong and Free”, there are timelines and capabilities in it. That's a couple of years old. A lot has changed in two years. The entire planet is different from how it was two years ago. That was a policy update to—

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

I'm sorry; are you saying that we need to update the defence policy again?

It should be an evergreen policy. Isn't that right?

Stephen Fuhr Liberal Kelowna, BC

We had a defence policy from 2017, and then we had an update. These things happen from time to time.

I'm saying that since the last update we had two years ago, “Our North, Strong and Free”, significant changes have occurred. We're pulling lots of capability forward. Subs are another good example of that.

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

Who's responsible, then, to talk about the interoperability of the Saab GlobalEye with our own F-35s that we're going to be receiving along with our NORAD partners?

Jenna Sudds Liberal Kanata, ON

I have a point of order, Chair.

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

He brought up the GlobalEye. This is definitely in order.

The Chair Liberal Charles Sousa

Can you wait for a point of order?

Jenna Sudds Liberal Kanata, ON

Thank you, Chair.

Respectfully, I think we're getting into the weeds of procurement.

My understanding of the study that we have in front of us today is that it's in relation to the defence industrial strategy. I'd hate for us to steer from that topic, which I think is incredibly important.

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

Mr. Chair, may I respond to that point of order?

The Chair Liberal Charles Sousa

Yes, you may, Mr. Bezan.

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

I hope you have paused the clock.

The witness, being the secretary of state, brought up procurement and particular platforms, including the modular new firearm, the subs and the AWACS planes. He brought up what they're doing. Part of the defence industrial strategy is also talking about getting stuff for Canadian Armed Forces. That's, first and foremost, our responsibility here at this committee.

I think that we are masters of our own domain and, since this has already been brought up by the witness, it's in line to ask the questions.

The Chair Liberal Charles Sousa

That's noted.

We have a motion for us to discuss the DIS. That is the topic of discussion, so let's try to keep it on track.

Mr. Vice-Chair, let's proceed, please.

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

The secretary of state is a seasoned parliamentarian, especially at this committee. He doesn't need to be protected by his colleagues. I know that he's more than capable of answering the questions.

If we are talking about interoperability under NORAD, who's responsible for ensuring that things like having access to NORAD's link 16, NET-4 special access aerospace control and guidance unit is going to be available to the platforms you're going to be procuring?