Evidence of meeting #9 for National Defence in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was procurement.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Folkes  Associate Assistant Deputy Minister , Public Services and Procurement Canada
Reza  Deputy Minister, Department of Public Works and Government Services

Stephen Fuhr Liberal Kelowna, BC

Now that we have delegated authorities, I will have his authorities in my portfolio, so as of now, I do not. I'm housed under him. His authorities have been delegated to this agency for procurement.

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Conservative

Scott Anderson Conservative Vernon—Lake Country—Monashee, BC

Do you report to the Minister of Defence?

Stephen Fuhr Liberal Kelowna, BC

No.

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Conservative

Scott Anderson Conservative Vernon—Lake Country—Monashee, BC

Do you report to the Prime Minister?

Stephen Fuhr Liberal Kelowna, BC

Yes.

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Conservative

Scott Anderson Conservative Vernon—Lake Country—Monashee, BC

The agency reports to you. This sounds like there's an extra step of bureaucracy in the middle here.

Earlier this year, Mr. Doug Guzman donated the maximum individual amount to the Prime Minister's account. Did that affect his decision at all?

Stephen Fuhr Liberal Kelowna, BC

I don't think it would have. I did, too, and so did many Canadians.

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Conservative

Scott Anderson Conservative Vernon—Lake Country—Monashee, BC

That's good to know.

Do you believe that Mr. Guzman should be paid about 10 times the average salary of the Canadian worker?

Stephen Fuhr Liberal Kelowna, BC

I think we've covered this, but since you bring it up—

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Conservative

Scott Anderson Conservative Vernon—Lake Country—Monashee, BC

Let's cover it again.

Stephen Fuhr Liberal Kelowna, BC

I think Doug Guzman took a massive pay cut to come and serve the country, just like we all are doing around this table.

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Conservative

Scott Anderson Conservative Vernon—Lake Country—Monashee, BC

That's fair enough, but he's a banker. He's not really qualified to do that. We can say that we all took sacrifices in the public sector. We could all be making more money in the public sector—at least most of us.

Stephen Fuhr Liberal Kelowna, BC

In the private sector.... Well, I think your leader would probably disagree.

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Conservative

Scott Anderson Conservative Vernon—Lake Country—Monashee, BC

Armatec had a contract to refurbish 25 light armoured vehicles to be sent to Ukraine. That was recently quietly cancelled.

How much of the $250-million contract did we lose on that cancellation?

Stephen Fuhr Liberal Kelowna, BC

I think that was covered by the Minister of National Defence during his appearance.

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Conservative

Scott Anderson Conservative Vernon—Lake Country—Monashee, BC

Can you cover it?

Stephen Fuhr Liberal Kelowna, BC

No.

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Conservative

Scott Anderson Conservative Vernon—Lake Country—Monashee, BC

You don't know.

Stephen Fuhr Liberal Kelowna, BC

I don't know.

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Conservative

Scott Anderson Conservative Vernon—Lake Country—Monashee, BC

Okay. Was the contract included in the 2% for NATO budget?

Stephen Fuhr Liberal Kelowna, BC

Military—

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Conservative

Scott Anderson Conservative Vernon—Lake Country—Monashee, BC

That's a yes or no answer.

Stephen Fuhr Liberal Kelowna, BC

I'm going to answer the question. The military assistance coordination centre is an agency within DND that handles all support for Ukraine and any other country, so that's a question for the Minister of National Defence, and I believe he answered it.

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Conservative

Scott Anderson Conservative Vernon—Lake Country—Monashee, BC

It's okay. You don't know the answer.

Can you give us any insight as to why the deal was cancelled?

Stephen Fuhr Liberal Kelowna, BC

I don't know, because it's not part of the mandate of the DIA. It's part of the military assistance coordination centre within DND.