I haven't had time in preparing for this meeting to check out where the situation is right now. They were estimated at $8 billion over 20 years back, in 1995 or 1996. I'll be glad to do some checking of this and respond.
Mr. Peeling says he's not aware of them. I was talking of incentives, which are an indirect subsidy, but I can't answer you on the specific matter.
The position I was proposing is that there be no net increase in costs for the government, rather than trying to propose that the renewables get new funding or new incentives, leaving the existing ones in place. I was specifically addressing the tar sands rather than the overall sector.
On the radio yesterday, Hugh Segal was commenting that he thinks they should stay and that we should add the incentives for the renewables.