I'll be brief, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for this opportunity.
Gentlemen, the case has been made clearly by both of you about the importance of energy efficiency, and both of you in separate ways have made the case.
I just wondered, though, with respect to specific programs--and I appreciate it's not necessarily within your bailiwick to tell us what we should be doing--from your study of other countries, particularly European countries, what should the federal government be doing to incentivize Canadians to use energy more efficiently? You've mentioned programs, industrial and commercial and residential programs, but can you help us in terms of the specifics of programs that you would envision as being the best strategy in terms of energy efficiency?