I'll start. I think apprenticeship programs are going to be hugely important in meeting this challenge.
The other challenge that goes with that is things like the red seal program, so we have mobility and recognition of credentials across the country.
The challenge companies often have is that no sooner do they train apprentices than they're snapped away. We're robbing Peter to pay Paul at the moment, and this always calls into question the amount of money companies should put into apprenticeship programs if they can't retain the apprentices at the end of the day. The problem you allude to is equally challenging during tougher times.
But if we have people going into apprenticeship programs, they are certainly going to have jobs.