I'll add a comment on Kyoto. Hans is correct to note that as the Energy Dialogue Group we do not have a position on Kyoto. I think it is important to note that the Energy Dialogue Group has, as a group, stressed the need to actually move forward on this issue. And I think all members of the group recognize that we all have a role to play.
At the end of the day, there are differing views among members with respect to the mix of potential solutions or the timelines, but I think we're working to try to find some common ground with respect to policy frameworks that we can all agree on that will enable us to move forward with a more sustainable energy system going forward.