The higher the administration, one could argue, the less impact it's having on the actual environment. Right now there's a program for wind. They support wind by 1¢ per kilowatt hour, I believe, over a 10-year period. This is a very simple one to administer, very easy to monitor, very easy to figure out the amount and move forward.
I don't want to get into numbers. Some areas will have more overhead than others, but they'll have greater efficiency.
I also think it's important when we talk about efficiency to realize that efficiency cannot come just from making buildings more efficient, making cars more efficient. That's a very important part of the mix, as we see hybrids and very fuel-efficient cars, and I think we should be providing everything we can to move those forward. The Canadian people are moving in that direction--SUV sales are dropping and the sales of hybrids are increasing.
But also part of the energy efficiency side is changing how people operate, changing their mindset, making them think about energy. We waste energy in a lot of ways that we could change right now. It would be interesting to know how many members at the table leave their computers on in their offices all night. It uses a fair amount of energy. If you think about every single computer in the federal government that's left on, if they were shut down at night, how much energy would that save?
There are technologies available on our appliances; they go into a sleep mode. This is something I'm very keen on, the one-watt challenge by the G-8. Right now, your televisions are in sleep mode when you turn them off, and they're drawing 30 to 40, sometimes as much as 50 to 60 watts of electricity. There's technology available now so that when you turn those appliances off they'll draw only one watt of energy.
There are lots of ways we can promote energy efficiency, and we're going to be there to support that, to do that, to ensure it happens.
Coming back to your question, sometimes we'll have to spend more at the front end to get the big benefits at the back end, and we'll evaluate all those programs. But at the end of the day we want to ensure that the Canadian taxpayer is getting the best value for their tax dollars that we're entrusted to look after for them.