On your first question, about giving the support for the communities to the provincial governments, if it helped one forest community or one forest worker, we'd like to know about it. It has not been our experience. It was disappointing that it wasn't targeted to forest communities.
The issue of intervention in the industry is big. You need to go to Scandinavia, South America—anywhere where capitalism is successful. The federal government plays a key role, whether the provincial governments or territorial governments are in place or not. We need intervention on the issues of research and development and encouragement to go to biodiversity.
Capital can't do it; it doesn't have the wheels. It doesn't matter where you are on the political spectrum; you need to look at the world and why we are getting the can kicked out of us. It's by intervention by the state, not in subsidy—I agree with my friend beside me that it's not in subsidy—but in pointing the light in research and development, in technological advances, things that corporations cannot, under these current circumstances, afford.
That's our position on those issues.