As a businessman, given the state of the oil business and the state of the forest products business, I think we should get a great deal more than the oil business, because we have a lot bigger troubles, so we'd encourage the federal government to be very generous.
Look, research is one thing. You have a whole lot of people out there today who are starving to death in the business. They're looking for the next meal. It's very hard to think about retirement when you're thinking about trying to get enough just to live today. That's the crisis, and everybody has a very short fuse.
That's the reality around the research, to get people motivated to step in.
You're asking how much money. God knows. I don't know how much. It will take a lot, but there are good models in a lot of other countries, as the professor said--for example, Finland. That's a great model. We shouldn't reinvent the wheel. I don't know what the amount is. It will take a substantial amount, but we should commit to it. The forest products business has been here for a hundred and some years. It's been a big employer in this country and has created a lot of tax dollars. We're at a point in time that's very difficult. This point in time will change, but we should try to put enough money there, whatever that amount is. I don't know what it is.