Can I make one final comment? At the Terrace Bay pulp mill we in fact are downpiling pulp out in the parking lot.
We have so much capacity, but of those 120 cars we need, we're only getting 40 to 70, and the excess capacity has filled up our warehouse. All the warehousing space that's available to us is full, and we're downpiling in the parking lot, as Marta has said some of her clients are doing as well. So it is a huge issue.
Ultimately what will happen is that mills will be forced to close down as a result of the practices of the railways, and people will be laid off. We're in a very difficult situation.