Evidence of meeting #6 for Natural Resources in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was clause.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Dave McCauley  Acting Director, Uranium and Radioactive Waste Division, Department of Natural Resources
Jacques Hénault  Analyst, Nuclear Liability and Emergency Preparedness, Department of Natural Resources
Brenda MacKenzie  Senior Counsel, Environment Canada, Department of Justice Canada
Joann Garbig  Procedural Clerk

9:55 a.m.

NDP

Dennis Bevington NDP Western Arctic, NT

The amendment here, regarding subclause 37(2), would be to add “and the newspaper of record for each province and territory of Canada or national newspaper of record if the nuclear incident occurs outside of Canada” following Canada Gazette.

Oh, it's been changed into more legal language. I apologize for that.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Mr. Bevington is indicating he doesn't have any prewritten motion.

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NDP

Dennis Bevington NDP Western Arctic, NT

Here it is. It's that Bill C-5 in clause 37 be amended by replacing line 8 on page 12 with the following:

Canada Gazette and in a newspaper in general circulation in each province and territory of Canada or, if the nuclear incident occurs outside of Canada, in a newspaper in general circulation throughout Canada.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Do you have that written down, Mr. Bevington?

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NDP

Dennis Bevington NDP Western Arctic, NT

Yes.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Could you bring a copy of that or could we get a copy of that at the table here?

Madame DeBellefeuille.

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Bloc

Claude DeBellefeuille Bloc Beauharnois—Salaberry, QC

Are the amendments drafted in both official languages?

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An hon. member

Yes.

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Bloc

Claude DeBellefeuille Bloc Beauharnois—Salaberry, QC

Perfect.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

No, we don't do that. When we're making an amendment, anyone can make a motion at the table here. We rely on translation to give you—

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Bloc

Claude DeBellefeuille Bloc Beauharnois—Salaberry, QC

Mr. Chairman, I believe the document was tabled in both languages and that the French version is available. So I'd like to have a copy of it. What I'm receiving here is the interpretation, not the translation.

9:55 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

The researcher can read this into the record. It is written in both languages in the copy we've just received.

Mr. Anderson.

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Conservative

David Anderson Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

I think there's getting to be a certain amount of frustration around the table. It appears the NDP does have a prepared set that they haven't presented to the rest of us. I understand Ms. DeBellefeuille's frustration. She worked hard to get her amendments in on time, and now we seem to have a whole host of amendments that are coming forward without anyone on the committee having seen them ahead of time. So I'm wondering if the NDP is willing to give us a copy of those, or if there's some other reason for this happening.

9:55 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Mr. Anderson, there is, of course, no requirement in clause-by-clause for amendments to be brought to the committee ahead of time. It's really strictly within the control of each individual member of the committee.

Mr. Bevington.

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NDP

Dennis Bevington NDP Western Arctic, NT

We forwarded these to the clerk at 8:30 this morning by electronic means. We just got them back this morning from the drafter.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

We will read the French as presented by Mr. Bevington.

9:55 a.m.

Joann Garbig Procedural Clerk

That Bill C-5, in Clause 37, be amended by replacing line 8 on page 12 with the following:

Canada Gazette and in a newspaper in general circulation in each province and territory of Canada or, if the nuclear incident occurs outside of Canada, in a newspaper in general circulation throughout Canada.

I'll now read the English:

That Bill C-5, in Clause 37, be amended by replacing line 8 on page 12 with the following:

Canada Gazette and in a newspaper in general circulation in each province and territory of Canada or, if the nuclear incident occurs outside of Canada, in a newspaper in general circulation throughout Canada.

10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

You've heard the motion in both languages.

Mr. Alghabra.

10 a.m.

Liberal

Omar Alghabra Liberal Mississauga—Erindale, ON

I have a question for the officials.

If an incident occurs outside of Canada, this act does not apply to it. Is that correct?

December 6th, 2007 / 10 a.m.

Acting Director, Uranium and Radioactive Waste Division, Department of Natural Resources

Dave McCauley

That's correct.

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Liberal

Omar Alghabra Liberal Mississauga—Erindale, ON

So we may want to consider just deleting the last section, then—speaking through you, Mr. Chair, to Mr. Bevington—about the incident occurring outside of Canada. I don't have a problem with the addition of advertising it in a provincial newspaper, but I'm not sure that if the incident occurs outside of Canada it applies to this act.

Thank you.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Mr. Anderson.

10 a.m.

Conservative

David Anderson Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

I have just one point.

I think the amendment is unnecessary. Subclause 37(1) says clearly “The Tribunal shall notify the public, in a manner that it considers appropriate”, and I would suspect that in the event that we have an incident, it would be highly publicized and it would be well known that the tribunal has been appointed and what the purpose of it is.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Thank you, Mr. Anderson.

Madame DeBellefeuille.

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Bloc

Claude DeBellefeuille Bloc Beauharnois—Salaberry, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Bevington's amendment might perhaps be justified in the event of an incident occurring in the United States and causing damage in Canada, having regard to the reciprocity agreement between our country and the United States. Here I'm thinking of the fact that we can announce an incident that has occurred in the United States in a national newspaper.