Thank you, Chair.
This has been very good. I very much appreciate the direct answers. It's probably because you folks are somewhat engaged in the actual doing of things. We often get to sit with the people who don't necessarily do a lot.
Mr. Nickel, I wanted to pick up on a point. You talked about waste.
We hosted a conference in northern B.C.--it must have been 10 or 12 years ago--called Zero Waste Northwest. No one understood what we were talking about. It was an effort to try to change the terminology we use around some of these things. When something is classified as waste, by definition we no longer have value on it; we no longer consider it. Yet we pay for it. Mr. Murray was talking about perverse subsidies when we try to handle waste streams and such.
When you approach the financial markets right now, as you folks have gone through the first initial expansion, is it coming to the point where what you're talking about is seen as a proper energy source, as something that's just as viable as an oil well project in Alberta, or are you still struggling with the culture of things being seen as waste?