These are private sector people looking at it and crunching the numbers. Do you find it as much when municipalities are involved? We have a few examples here. If I'm a municipal politician, there's a bit of a risk with this. At the end of the day, if I can keep taxes low.... Incumbents get re-elected at a higher rate in municipal politics than in our business here. It's easier to do. Do they demonstrate, on that broader municipal level, that integration as well, that return of value to taxpayer dollars?
On March 5th, 2009. See this statement in context.