--demonstration of a concept. So those would not have gone without federal funding.
The committee heard earlier on from other panels on developments in B.C. and developments in Ontario without a single cent of government funding, with all private capital. I think what you would not be seeing are some of the more innovative ideas. You'd be seeing incremental change over time if there were no upfront costs. You'd eventually get there. It would take longer and perhaps would be very evolutionary--