I don't want to lie to please you.
If you want to cut money from Natural Resources, go into the A base, because you could sharpen all of those programs. I've made my suggestions to the officials at NRCan on how to make them a little more strategic and a bit sharper. All of those programs are designed to transform the industry. If you want to cut 5% or 10% from Natural Resources—I'm not suggesting you do it, but if you have to—look at their legacy programming, which is not sunsetted.
For some reason, the stuff people dreamed up 20 years ago is protected and the stuff your government designed over the last few years is the most vulnerable. It should be the other way around: the stuff you designed a few years ago, because it's needed today, should be the most protected, and the stuff that's been in the department for the last 20 years should be looked at quite carefully.
We haven't gone through all of their programming, saying “Cut here, cut there.” That's the government's business; if you want to consult with us, we're open. But we know the transformative programs should get priority.