Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I'd like to go back to maybe a higher perspective from both you, Ms. Cobden, and Mr. Lazar, and get your insight.
Mr. Lazar, I recall when you took on this position. I worked for years with your predecessor. I remember having heard you earlier when you were talking about the transformation you were going to bring to this industry association in terms of the kind of cooperative approach that you've elucidated here today. For example, the boreal forests initiative reflects the reality that there is one boreal forest and there are many parties benefiting from it and many folks with different competing interests.
You've managed to design a process and a structure that has had some success, I think, in reconciling those competing interests. I want you to do us a favour, if you could, as a person who has extensive government and public service and now as a person who is conquering worldwide markets. How important is it for either individual trade associations and industrial sectors or even for this nation-state called Canada to have a brand that we can put in the window in a meaningful way that says we are working at solving environmental issues and we believe we can be economically very profitable in our natural resources sector as we do so?
If you could, just take a second. I was not in Durban. Even had I been invited to attend in Durban, I would not have gone, because I don't think the process was worth the greenhouse gases it took to get there.
The government wouldn't take anyone along on this trip. No opposition members were permitted to attend as official delegates, for example. You have tracked this, I'm sure, very carefully. Could you weave into your answer maybe some insight as to what you think happened in Durban and whether what we put in the window in Durban was good, bad, indifferent, or irrelevant? Just help us understand what this all means.