Mr. Chair, again, the graph basically shows that from the 1960s up until the late 1970s we were ramping up. We had the price shocks in the late 1970s. From that point, cars have become more efficient, houses have become more efficient, Canada has become more efficient, and demand has kind of flattened out. When you look at the capacity again, yes, you're right, the number of refineries has dropped, but the capacity of the refineries has expanded, so they're becoming bigger, more efficient refineries.
When you look at the capacity utilization, that's the key thing, and right now a refinery likes to run at about 95% capacity. In Canada last year, they were running between 80% and 83% capacity, which means they could have produced more, they would have liked to produce more, but they just didn't have the markets for it.
It's not the case that Canada is just starting to import refined products from everywhere else; we actually are net exporters. We refine more than we consume in Canada. It's one of those things that's like a lot of other industries, where you're seeing fewer, bigger, more efficient refineries serving the Canadian marketplace.