Could I add to that?
You make your options as well. If we don't do lots of upgrading.... We need a lot of upgraders to feed a petrochemical industry. If we don't have the feedstock—and the petrochemical industry, by the way, has been complaining about lack of feedstock for natural gas for a long time because they can't get it; we're shipping it to the United States, again. So here we have potential. If we can do a lot of upgrading of our bitumen, rather than shipping it out diluted—true; if we upgrade it at home, we'll be able to have options of petrochemicals, chemicals.
Of course they're very competitive businesses, naturally. Many business are very competitive.
What does it mean when we say someone else should do it? We'll give them the raw material and they'll do it for us? Well, we don't accept that. We think we should be a mature, high-tech country, with highly skilled workers, and we should be capable of producing these various products that others are producing with our raw materials.