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Evidence of meeting #25 for Natural Resources in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was money.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Vivian Krause  As an Individual
Robert Reid  President, Mackenzie Valley Aboriginal Pipeline LP
Gaétan Caron  Chair and CEO, National Energy Board
Patrick Smyth  Business Unit Leader, Operations, National Energy Board

10:30 a.m.

NDP

Kennedy Stewart NDP Burnaby—Douglas, BC

I find it very disturbing to hear this kind of accusation that somehow American interests are pushing first nations to oppose different lines. It's totally unfounded. In fact, I've talked with a number of first nations. They are their own people. They are first nations for a reason.

You didn't experience anything like that through your process, any evidence of--

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President, Mackenzie Valley Aboriginal Pipeline LP

Robert Reid

There was nothing whatsoever.

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NDP

Kennedy Stewart NDP Burnaby—Douglas, BC

--so-called foreign money coming in.

I think that's really disgraceful, but that's what one reads on the web.

If we could just move to pipeline leaks--

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Sorry, Mr. Stewart, your time is up.

We go now to Mr. McGuinty, for up to five minutes.

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Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

Thanks, Mr. Chair.

I wasn't going to return to this, Ms. Krause, but I'm going to return to it. You said that Canadian environmental foundations are funnelling money through American subsidiaries. Is that right?

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As an Individual

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Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

What did you say?

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As an Individual

Vivian Krause

I've said a lot. I'm not sure what you're referring to specifically.

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Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

You said that foundation money coming from the United States is actually going into receiving entities in the United States that are effectively wholly owned by Canadian environmental foundations.

Did you say that?

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As an Individual

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Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

Under what tax structure in the United States are those foundations...what part of the code? Where is it under the United States code for tax? How are they structured?

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As an Individual

Vivian Krause

I'll give you an example. Tides Canada--and the same applies with the Living Oceans Society--has equivalency status in the United States as a 501(c)(3) charity. Because they have charitable status, American foundations made grants to them, and as American charities, they report to the IRS. The information I have about Tides Canada's spending is all from its American tax returns.

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Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

Is this illegal?

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As an Individual

Vivian Krause

I believe so.

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Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

You believe so. Are you a lawyer?

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As an Individual

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Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

Are you an economist?

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As an Individual

Vivian Krause

No, I'm a nutritionist.

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Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

Are you a transfer pricing expert?

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As an Individual

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Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

Are you a tax lawyer?

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As an Individual

Vivian Krause

No. What's your question?

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Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

My question is, is it illegal? You say you believe so.

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As an Individual

Vivian Krause

I said I believe so, but that's what I believe. I'm not giving you an opinion as a legal expert.

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Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

You don't know, do you?