I think it's a long-term plan; these things don't just happen overnight. Fort McKay First Nation didn't just dive right in there and start getting multi-million-dollar contracts from Suncor and Syncrude. These things happen over a long period of time.
I have a question for Mr. Boor or Mr. Coombes. We've heard a lot of concerns about the length of the regulatory process and about some of the roadblocks, which include dealing with the Government of Canada and, in certain situations and depending on the province, the uncertainty of dealing with some of the hurdles and obstacles when it comes to court challenges and so on.
I think you said in your testimonies that you're both publicly traded companies. Is that right?