We're starting out at the beginning of this report and trying to get a grasp on what is innovative in the energy sector and how we can improve. That's the idea behind the committee report.
How do you benchmark the success of your programs? From an outsider's perspective, this could be fairly difficult to do. If you're a business, you have an economic payback, your return on investment, but as you know, this has to do with social licence. I understand, as a politician, that I will evaluate the political payback of a particular issue, but when you look at the programs the government's doing, be it for R and D or research on fossil fuels, how do you set up your benchmarks? If we come to you as a committee and ask if this is a success or not, what are you going to say? How do we look at it to benchmark it?