Yes, we look at all the programs. We have people and lawyers who advise us on what we should be applying for. Sometimes you're successful, sometimes you're not.
Our first program was in Alberta; it was an energy innovation fund whereby we got $3.5 million when we were at the R and D stage. We then moved to SDTC, which we thought was an ideal fund for pre-commercialization demonstration. Initially we got $5 million and recently another $1.5 million. We've got a small grant from something called IRAP, which is the National Research Council's industrial research fund.
We try to target these things, but they're not all that big. You need to get private financing along with it, which is a healthy thing. I think for every dollar we've brought in from government funding, we've put $5 of our own money on the table, so that's okay. It's not massive, but it's helpful. I'd be the last to say it isn't.
Is enough done? In the statistics I see Canada is not ranked all that high in R and D in the G-20 and so on in terms of either our investment or our spending or our outcomes.
I guess other countries are doing a somewhat better job than we are. When I travel around the world, they don't immediately see Canada as innovative and exporters of innovative things, unfortunately, but I think we can be. We've got the best universities in the world and some of the smartest and best-educated people; why can't we be a leader here? I think we can be.