We have to note that Canada is the last in the industrialized world in public investment in R and D, last in patent development, and second-last in the production of doctorates, so we obviously do need to go through this sea change that you mentioned. The current attitude of the current government simply isn't acceptable.
I'd like to move on to the QUEST folks. You mentioned that energy efficiency programs are the foundation. We've seen ecoENERGY wrapped up. Do you feel the government really should be investing in energy efficiency?
Certainly in the official opposition, the NDP feels very strongly that energy efficiency programs are a real foundation for bringing to bear energy savings both for individuals and also for the types of communities that you're envisaging.