Okay.
That dovetails with what Roger Martin, the dean of the University of Toronto Rotman School of Management, has said. He said that more effective collaboration between businesses and universities could bring more commercially viable new products and services to market.
I don't think I would disagree with what you say in terms of the skilled trades being part and parcel of innovation, and I think the quotes that I've read here and that we've put on the record show that there needs to be a greater level of coordination among governments, industry, and universities to push forward that innovation agenda. Would you agree?