Off the top of my head, in terms of a specific response, I'm not sure if we've had a specific response, but I know that in terms of a few forestry-geared programs delivered through Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development and also Natural Resources Canada and the Canadian Forest Service.... I'm talking in particular about the AFI program, the aboriginal forestry initiative program. Aboriginal Affairs moves a certain amount of funding over to NRCan and they do the forestry thing.
There have been program dollars that we've accessed to look at that complex mix that you bring about and to pull out the best strategy. The best strategy that we've managed to locate is around this idea that for first nations business organizations, first nations in the forest, the communities are ready for innovation.
Because our scale is a little bit different from the FPAC membership, it means that we're being forced to associate and to organize ourselves in a similar but dissimilar and, I think, complementary fashion. I think that's where I would like to push to suggest that this government and also Parliament take a look at, for example, NAFA's funding amount. We have a core of about $244,000 and change.
Take a look. I'm not saying that we're in competition with FPAC or FPInnovations. Their core budget is over $20 million, $30 million, or $40 million, depending on the year. How are we supposed to innovate? How are we supposed to democratize and use the technology on that scale, get it into our mills, and really get and keep first nations in the forest sector moving and driving that investment and job creation cycle?
I'm not saying this in competition, Catherine. I know that your budget—