Thank you very much for that.
I'll move on now to Ms. Cobden. I'm very appreciative of the work your organization is doing as well.
I come from a community that was absolutely devastated by the softwood lumber sellout that was signed by the Conservative government. We lost 2,000 jobs within the span of a few weeks after the signing of that agreement. We had Canfor, Interfor, and Western Forest Products all go under.
To see, despite that huge mistake, that the Forest Products Association is still managing to move forward is a source of some hope to all of us who come from forest-dependent communities and who are dependent on the softwood lumber industry.
I have two questions.
We are last in the industrialized world in terms of public investment in research and development. It's a lamentable state of affairs. We have to turn that situation around. First, to what extent can having research and development support from the federal government make a difference in your industry?
The second question I want to ask is around the black liquor credits and the pulp and paper green transformation program, PPGTP. That was basically wrapped up; you couldn't claim the credits after March 31 of last year. To what extent was the industry unable to access those credits because of that deadline? Are you aware of companies that were unable to access the program because it was wrapped up early?
Those are my two questions.