There's definitely innovation going on. It's what you call organizational innovation. We think of innovation as product innovation, but there are actually four types of innovation. Organizational innovation has to do with the way you deal with suppliers and the way you deal with your employees. That's something we don't really hear about because it's not really covered by SR and ED or other things, but it's a really important part of productivity improvement and innovation.
Going back to the question of why we need a tax credit for companies to provide more training, I think there's a gap between the needs of companies and what is being offered in our academic institutions. I sometimes wonder how a university or a college actually decides if they will offer one type of mechanical engineering degree or another type of degree.
They don't call me. I don't know who they call. Do they actually talk to someone in the industry who looks at their needs over the next five years and at whether they should set up a new program? As for the only ones who actually do that, if they're in Baie Comeau somewhere in northern Quebec and a big mining company comes in, says it needs a certain kind of people, asks if they can set up a program, and says it will give some money for it, they actually do it.
Is there a way for us to look at how they actually decide to offer certain types of programs or not? I actually don't know.