Okay.
I would like to take a couple of minutes to talk about refineries. It came up in a couple of different questions. We did a study last year, looked into it in depth, and found out that we have refining capacity in Canada. It's not necessarily being used to the full extent that it could be. In fact, some of the refiners were complaining that they were just not able to make money at the levels that they were running at.
Could you speak a bit more to that issue of value added and the notion of refining and upgrading in the context of what we have in Canada already? I think Mr. Calkins made a very valid point, and it's one that we heard often at committee, which is that those finished products are not often refined far from the marketplace. They actually vary; the gasoline content, for example, varies in different places around North America. Can you just talk about the upgrading, the value added, in terms of some of those products?