I don't know how to answer that directly.
What I will try to bring to the member's attention is there seems to be a lot of confusion between extracting maximum value, which you noted is what I want to do, with moving further down this stage of processing. Often, they're not the same thing at all. For example, when we're talking about oil, the maximum value-added comes from the crude part, the bitumen part. Where margins are the most narrow and where people are very reluctant to invest is in the refining part, the one that's further down that we classify at Statistics Canada as manufacturing.
More generally, we talked about how what changed in the world in the last 20 years was that as the developing countries became integrated into the world economy, they especially were ferocious in competing in the manufacturing sector. Why would you want to divert resources to that one sector where you're going to meet a great deal of foreign competition and divert resources from the resource sector where they're not competing with us?