I would say yes, we can be self-sufficient. As we've already mentioned, if you build that west to east infrastructure, we can be self-sufficient in oil. There's no question of that. It's just having adequate infrastructure.
When you talk about things like refining, this is all wrapped up in the idea of getting more value from our natural resources, and of course we're all for that. However, when we focus on refining, it's a limited picture.
We did a supply chain piece, looking at the effect on the supply chain of the oil sands industry. It's important to keep in mind that there are a lot of inputs that go into this industry as well, everything from engineering to financial services, to different types of machinery. There are huge supply chain effects. We can also get more value from our natural resources through the supply chains.
One of the biggest success stories in Canadian manufacturing in the last decade has been manufacturing of mining and oil and gas machinery. It is one of the few manufacturing industries that has seen big increases in exports in the last decade.
How can we take the expertise for developing as a result of our oil sands and other energy assets and turn that into new export opportunities?