Thank you. I'll try to be brief.
On the upgrading, I'll just remind the committee that the Venezuelans also need to upgrade the Orinoco emulsion before they send it to specialized refineries. The big cost is in the specialized refineries. You are able to refine some on the east coast.
I think looking inside Canada, as Mr. McGowan mentioned, is very important. But you need, of course, a lot of provinces and to change the use of present pipelines.
On Norway, in The Tyee articles you will find reference to the 10 oil commandments—almost biblical. We had to look at the Norwegian needs first. It so happened that the Ekofisk field, the first one we found, produced a lot more oil than Norway's 3.5 million people used.
We built refineries inside Norway, and Statoil was used to do that. We didn't have to import product any more; we could actually export. It was costly in the beginning, but it has paid off today. Statoil expanded and bought refineries in Sweden and Denmark, and gasoline stations in the Baltic countries. They have now sold out of the gasoline stations. We are no longer in the petrol market with Statoil; other people have taken that over.
But we have balanced our activity in oil with the jobs inside Norway. We have created an industry, just like Canada did, which actually supplies the world market. A lot of Canadian businesses in Alberta are excellent exporters of excellent equipment. Some of it also goes to Norway.
You need to look at the whole aspect of how you link business to the electorate, to the voter. That makes them part of the business. Every Norwegian knows we own part of Statoil, and they own 100% of the state's direct financial interest in a company that now is called Petoro. That makes a whole difference in how we discuss things in Norway and how we actually regulate.